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Taxpayers are forced to work the first 114 days of the year to earn the money needed to pay their tax liability. Income taxes are a form of voluntary servitude. The Thirteenth Amendment prohibits slavery and involuntary servitude and that is why the Federal Income Tax is voluntary.

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  • Actually, last time I checked a few years ago, using Turbo Tax and calculating my income tax and what I owed and what I had already paid, including my state income tax, by removing the last $2000 I made from the income line, it showed that on that last $2000 of income , my tax was well over fifty percent.   That means six months of my income for my second job , went to the IRS and State. My second job gave me a net monthly income of about $800   So who sees this tax unless you calculate with and with out the second income and then do some math.

    That said, If you own property, Cars Campers, motor home, House, then income tax is NOT voluntary.  When they come and reposes you belongings, how are you going to get them back with out paying out more than you would have if you had simply rolled over and paid as you earned.  That means you pay or are forced to pay. That is not voluntary.  Now, if you don't own any thing,  what can they do?  So the cost of renting, may be do able.

    • When we were under the constitutions, the income tax was voluntary for state-only citizens [ non-14th citizens ] but it has always been mandatory for 14th amendment citizens.

      It is easy to prove that we have not been under the constitutions for decades but under communist controlled fed military occupation and as stated in the unPatriot Act and NDAA, all rights have been suspended and replaced with mere privileges.

  • This is misinformation at best. There is no such thing as "voluntary compliance". Try not filing and see what happens. Eventually you will get a letter from the IRS stating that they don't have a return from you for ---- year, send it and all others that you have not filed within 10 days or we will guaranshee your wages. Way back when, you were able to include the income tax owed in a bankruptcy filing. Too many people learned that and a law was passed to change it, one can no longer include owed income tax in a bankruptcy. Your argument looks good on paper but in reality it is pure unadulterated BS and will accomplish nothing but getting someone in trouble. Ask Irwin Schiff if he's still alive.

     

  • Please call me at 916-399-4881. I know many people who do not file and  pay income taxes.

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    •  I don't have time to talk this afternoon.  You should have my e-mail because it was required to sign up so could you shoot me one please?

      As for being voluntary:  If we were under the constitutions instead of fed military occupation, he would be both correct and lying.

      He would be telling the truth because it would voluntary for state-only citizens.

      He would be lying because it has never been voluntary for fed / 14th citizens.  Being that they are first and foremost fed citizens with almost no rights [ courts have said this ] they are subject to 'all' state and fed laws.

      I contend that the facts show conclusively that we have been under communist controlled fed military occupation since around 1950.

      The gov does not want the public figuring this out, including top officials for fear of a revolt. Thus the commissioner was lying.   Another thing to consider about his comment.  If it is voluntary, how come IRS orders the prosecution of everyone that does not pay and if it is voluntary, how can they get the courts to even take the case?

  •   Voluntary Compliance = You are Free to chose To or Not To Comply. And your Non-Compliance can not be held against you for that would be Cehersion; A hair's breadth away from Compulsory.

      Mandatory Compliance= You Must Comply or face Consequences.

    The Income Tax Scheme and it's proposed replacements; Fair Tax & Flat Tax each have the same fatal flaw. These Laws cannot Mandate Compulsory Compliance. They would require personal information which, according to the Fifth Amendment, one cannot be required to give. In particular Who has Income and How Much? Yet as the SCOTUS Miranda Opinion recognizes that you may Volunteer information which can be used against you. And as for the information from an Employer, which the Income Tax Law defines as the Federal Government who employs persons within the jurisdiction of Washington D.C. Possessions and Protectorates and not within the several States. But for the sake of common misbelief, let's assume an Employer is some Mom & Pop Shop you work for. Can they actually be Compelled to give personal information of yours to another party without a sworn warrant by an Officer and signed by a Judge who has probable cause of criminal activity? The Information needed in this case is; Who has Income and How much? The Shop could Volunteer the information but cannot be Compelled. Earning a living has not ever been considered criminal activity. Unless it violates someone's rights to life liberty or property. Like a hired assassin or hire jewel thief.

  • The courts have stated that the 5th is a privilege for 14th amendment citizens.  Under fed military occupation, the 5th also only exists as a privilege.

    • Technically true. An 1871 14th Amendment U.S. Citizen is not a Citizen at all. He is only a 'Subject' with mere 'Privileges & Immunities.' Not endowed with certain 'Unalienable Rights' as the Citizens of the Several States are. The 5th Amendment is a Natural Right recognized by our U.S. Constitution not a Privilege as some Court Opines. If the 14th was drafted for the sake of the Freedmen, than the last U.S. Citizen would have died when the last former Slave died. There would no longer be any U.S. Citizens among us.

      • I find myself in both agreement on principal but in disagreement on a legal technicality.

        While the courts have agreed that the 14th does not incorporate any part of the - or any bill off rights, which I will explain.  The 14th did grant non-whites citizenship for the first time.

        The 14th gave them true citizenship in the fed gov under Art 4 jurisdiction. This is the same as if they were a conquered people no longer in rebellion.  It secures them almost no rights because the fed gov was not designed to have citizens, those who come under its direct authority are under nothing more than limited communism with a form of due process.

        They were granted none of the natural rights that the framers of the states secured to their citizens.

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