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It is assumed that the Constitution was written to protect, "We the People" from the potential abuse of power by the government of the United States, who were the people that the framers of the Constitution sought to protect?

The Constitution was not written to protect the rights of women. It did not provide protection for the Native Americans or the slaves. The only people that it was written to protect were the white males that owned a sufficient amount of land. Only the rich, white men had rights and every one else had privileges

Less than 40,000 of the people living in Virginia in voted n our nation's first Presidential Election in December of 1788. Since the population of Virginia at that time was nearly 800,000 only one person out of 20 voted for our first President.

Perhaps in the Preamble to the Constitution the words "We the People" should have been "We the rich white men" of the united States, in order to form a more perfect union . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The government schools have taught us what the government wants us to believe, not necessarily what is true. As long as we continue to think inside of the box that they have created for us, we will continue to be obedient lap dogs rather than free and independent thinkers. 

 

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Actually the Constitution did not promote or discourage slavery or the rights of women. It was the states that violated the God given rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence. Ideally the States were supposed to check the abuse of power by the government of the United States and the government of the United States was to protect the people from the abuse of power by the states.

Eligibility to vote was determined by the legislatures of the states and there were states that allowed women to vote before the ratification of the 19th Amendment.

We have been taught that the Constitution that was written in 1787 was created to prevent the abuse of power by the central government of the United States. Frankly the document was created to control the government not to control the people.  Both the states and the central government have a shared responsibility to preserve, protect and defend the individuals lives, liberty and property 
 
Mark E. Smith said:

Professor, first, please accept my apology for the terseness on my post. I suppose it just hit me wrong. Still, "We, the rich white men"?

Second, whatever percentage it was, not all of the colonists, for whatever reason, were in favor of a fight with England. Only a few brave "rich white men", who were educated and who had studied history saw the value in a fight with England; in a struggle for freedom from a tyrannical government. The great many others who didn't see that value and who probably weren't as accomplished or as "rich" were indoctrinated... were used to being told how to live their lives and were too afraid to step out of line.

Third, you say that the Constitution did not promote equality and justice for all. You're right. It promoted individual liberty and justice for all. Neither our Constitution nor our Bill of Rights guaranteed equality. They guaranteed the right to life, that is, to each individual the right to exist without government restriction; the right to individual liberty, that is, to each individual the right to live his life as he see fit without government restriction; and the pursuit of happiness, that is, to each individual the right to chose for himself what road in life to pursue. The thing is, with those rights, come responsibility, which is why only an educated and moral people have the ability to govern themselves. Men are born equal in the eyes of God. No constitution can promote or guarantee that they will stay that way. Equality is one thing. Equal opportunity is something completely different.

Fourth, our original Constitution was by no means perfect. The culture of the time tolerated slavery and the subjugation of women, though not all the people subscribed to it. The 13th and 19th Amendments were, absolutely, further attempts to tweek a document that is still a 5000 year leap over any other constitution in this world. Was our original constitution meant to protect only the posterity of the Framers or of all the American people? (Wow, what a question.) I firmly believe that it was meant to protect every American citizen. Again, at the time the original Constitution was written, a culture that tolerated what today we consider injustices was at hand. Throughout our history, however, we have, as a Christian people, and in the face of a once benign evil, now a full fledged hurricane of evil, tried to do the right thing. The people, that is the educated and moral of us, want to do the right thing... even insist on it. Unfortunately, that has become a difficult thing to do, what with our representation in government all but completely snuffed out.


Online Professor said:

Please check up on your statement that only 3% of the people supported the revolution. I think you will discover that your numbers are incorrect.

I believe that the framers of the Constitution were mortal men and that the document they drafted was built upon the principles articulated in the Declaration of Independence. While to document was excellent in many regards, it did not promote equality and justice for all. It frankly did not even recognize that women had the same God given rights as men. It also allowed the states to perpetuate the institution of slavery.

The framers of the Constitution declared in the Preamble that they were desirous to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves and our posterity . . . . . . .

Were they speaking of their posterity or the posterity of all of the American people? Did the Constitution protect the life, liberty and property of some of the people or all of the people? Did not the 13th and 19th Amendments seek to promote greater equality than that was not provided for in the original Constitution?

 

The 39 signers of the Constitution were in fact men. They were all white and they were all relatively wealthy property owners. Describing them as rich, white men was somewhat incendiary, but none the less the statement is true. I might add that most of them well educated and were lawyers by profession.


Mark E. Smith said:

Professor, first, please accept my apology for the terseness on my post. I suppose it just hit me wrong. Still, "We, the rich white men"?

Second, whatever percentage it was, not all of the colonists, for whatever reason, were in favor of a fight with England. Only a few brave "rich white men", who were educated and who had studied history saw the value in a fight with England; in a struggle for freedom from a tyrannical government. The great many others who didn't see that value and who probably weren't as accomplished or as "rich" were indoctrinated... were used to being told how to live their lives and were too afraid to step out of line.

Third, you say that the Constitution did not promote equality and justice for all. You're right. It promoted individual liberty and justice for all. Neither our Constitution nor our Bill of Rights guaranteed equality. They guaranteed the right to life, that is, to each individual the right to exist without government restriction; the right to individual liberty, that is, to each individual the right to live his life as he see fit without government restriction; and the pursuit of happiness, that is, to each individual the right to chose for himself what road in life to pursue. The thing is, with those rights, come responsibility, which is why only an educated and moral people have the ability to govern themselves. Men are born equal in the eyes of God. No constitution can promote or guarantee that they will stay that way. Equality is one thing. Equal opportunity is something completely different.

Fourth, our original Constitution was by no means perfect. The culture of the time tolerated slavery and the subjugation of women, though not all the people subscribed to it. The 13th and 19th Amendments were, absolutely, further attempts to tweek a document that is still a 5000 year leap over any other constitution in this world. Was our original constitution meant to protect only the posterity of the Framers or of all the American people? (Wow, what a question.) I firmly believe that it was meant to protect every American citizen. Again, at the time the original Constitution was written, a culture that tolerated what today we consider injustices was at hand. Throughout our history, however, we have, as a Christian people, and in the face of a once benign evil, now a full fledged hurricane of evil, tried to do the right thing. The people, that is the educated and moral of us, want to do the right thing... even insist on it. Unfortunately, that has become a difficult thing to do, what with our representation in government all but completely snuffed out.


Online Professor said:

Please check up on your statement that only 3% of the people supported the revolution. I think you will discover that your numbers are incorrect.

I believe that the framers of the Constitution were mortal men and that the document they drafted was built upon the principles articulated in the Declaration of Independence. While to document was excellent in many regards, it did not promote equality and justice for all. It frankly did not even recognize that women had the same God given rights as men. It also allowed the states to perpetuate the institution of slavery.

The framers of the Constitution declared in the Preamble that they were desirous to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessing of liberty to ourselves and our posterity . . . . . . .

Were they speaking of their posterity or the posterity of all of the American people? Did the Constitution protect the life, liberty and property of some of the people or all of the people? Did not the 13th and 19th Amendments seek to promote greater equality than that was not provided for in the original Constitution?

 

Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were farmers first and lawyer / warrior second… in the 18th century settlers did not have a king looking directly over their back, so it was much easier to get “rich” through one’s own efforts. Education was usually by apprenticeship and/or self learning… and as in the case of Jefferson and Washington their continued higher education was based on practical experiences for assistance in furthering their knowledge and skill, unlike today’s education motivated only by money it is.

Therefore The Declaration of Independence, The Articles of Confederation and even The US Constitution with and only with The Bill of Rights were written and/or endorsed by The People of common religious and/or moral values. The three fifth clause in The Constitution was inserted to reduce the benefit of representation for the slave states because slaves could not vote … not because The Constitution forbade it, but because the states did (many settlers were of the gold digging / conquistador mentality). So, obviously the framers were paving the road to eliminating slavery, ensuring liberty and prosperity for all moral men and women, and beyond.

But as has been done for eons, money silences voices of We The People and amplifies the farts of their bosses, as is now evidenced with corporations, the msm, etc. The US Constitution is only as strong and effective as We The People, it has given US ample time to recognize the evil, and it’s now way past time to annihilate it.

To all members here: This is what we should be thinking about and acting on! While you are dismantling our constitution, these scumbags are using it against us. It is only a matter of time before Christians in America are executed! Wake up!

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Peter van der Heiden said:

To all members here: This is what we should be thinking about and acting on! While you are dismantling our constitution, these scumbags are using it against us. It is only a matter of time before Christians in America are executed! Wake up!

Jeez,Louise-too many sacred cows in this box.Credit is given where due-history reveals the good,bad and ugly side of traditions,customs and motives from times past that bear little resembleance to today.Whiskey Rebellion,anyone?As many times as our host has been shot as the messenger by 'supporters of liberty and justice',he would qualify as the holeist of holeies.

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