Has the time come when we should discontinue having political parties?
- Should all candidates run as non-partisan candidates?
- Would the elimination of political parties help to end the rampant corruption we see in government
- Would the elimination of parties help to prevent the abuse of power by the financial elite?
- Would we be better off without political parties?
Please add your comments and lets us know what you think.
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Absolutely.... Bad idea from the creation of govt.
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." --John Adams
"When through the process of law the common people lose their homes, they will become more docile and more easily governed through the strong arm of government applied by a central power of wealth under leading financiers. These truths are well known among our principal men who are now engaged in forming an imperialism to govern the world. By dividing the voter through the political party system we can get them to expend their energies in fighting for questions of no importance. It is thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves that which has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished." - 1924 US Banker’s Association Magazine
Party politics is one of the most despicable inventions ever devised in the darkest parts of men's minds. It is 'polite warfare' fashioned for plunder, ever so much as its armed manifestation.
yes we should discontinue politcal parties. They are the biggest part of the problem. Because will not listen to the people . They look down on the people thinking they are smarter then the people and they know what is best for the dumb people . And they will only pass laws that give them more power over the people. So if we do a way with the parties we will truly have a government for the people by the people.
It is my sense that the American People should become informed, engaged and empowered non-partisan voters such that candidates and elected officials will need to end loyalty to party over loyalty to the American people.
Americans need to remember...politics will always divide the nation...and elected officials come and go but the American people remain. With so much emphasis on the notion that politics will save our nation...or that any one politician or election cycle will save a great nation....we will continue our decline.
America's gem is its people...not its politics.
And politics will never solve the problems that plaque our nation. Only people can. Elected officials can help as appropriate...but they cannot lead. As long as we let them lead...we will suffer. When we lead, they will have to follow in order to have any relevance at all.
Lastly...a favorite bumper sticker...
"When the people lead, the leaders will tremble."
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I say let's put political parties in their rightful place. Let's demote them below rule of law (Constitution) and below the people they are to represent.
Said another way...
I believe that it is We the People that give WAY TOO MUCH power to political parties. And they - the political parties - happily take it.
run as write ins only. NO parties, no groups no required amounts of signatures to qualify
Run as in write in. Plan pure simple. its what I am doing
What I said in my Tuesday show. What we are going to do on the back of truck beds, in front yards and highways fields. humiliate these scum. In the next few days, MTpatriot.net .org .info will be up when I can find someone to actually build it for me.
NO parties, WRITE INS only. Take it back the original way
Here is what would happen except on a much bigger scale . .
HAS THE TEA PARTY LOST ITS WAY?
Over the last three years the Tea Party has not presented a united message. The standard and known web sites have been turned into “bitch boards” that are divided into several factions.
*The Independents have taken over some of the boards and discussions, seeking to discover a cohesive message that is unique and specific to a comprehensive agenda that promotes a positive direction of their own is hard to discern.
*The Libertarians have been active on many; their message seems to be an 'anti-message' alone.
*There are some sites that are populated by Anarchists and conspiracy theory people. Several are Survivor sites where people predict the end of America and anarchy.
*Lastly, are the Social Religious conservatives, which claim they support conservative principles but support 'progressive fiscal programs’. They are people of many different faiths, some Evangelicals, Catholics and other churches that want government to provide for the poor.
This 'splintering' seems to have become very caustic in language and message that attacks all, except their view point. In my reading of the many sites this is evident. Some of the Independent sites are calling for a THIRD party to be formed.
They claim to support all Independents, but ignore the 50% of those same Independents, that are leaning left, or will not support the independent thought of Independent Social Conservative values. So what percentage do we evaluate as truly Independent, for they are 'splintered' within themselves. Most are united in their presentation of hate speech toward all of the so called RINOs, and vow to only vote for a candidate that is 100% solid in the ideals they separately support.
The question then becomes, how can these groups explain why they want to change the Constitution on a national basis, asking us to consider 'an amendment' that would narrowly focus on installing only their goals?
These groups will vote for third party candidates, even if it means the election will be won by the 'progressive DEMOCRAT'. I see this as an ultimate stupidity. Consider this question: 'Is this not just giving up - when the end result is failure and a waste of your power and sacred vote? The issue of this “PROTECTIVE” statement made with their vote. Casting a vote for a “PRINCIPLED” stand that does not equivocate from a pure or extreme point of view, results in the installation of a PURE SOCIAL DEMOCRACY...the opponent of the independent/conservative candidates wins. The recent case of the Virginia Governor’s Race illustrates this well. Diluted/purposely, diluted vote-split, guaranteed the democratic win.
Where is the truly single- positive- achievable proposal? Too many times all that is expressed is, 100% negative 'spilled milk' - and simply angry attitudes. I have/you can- read 100's of posts that are anti-Party [either one], and clearly state that only a 'new party' will get their vote. While they neither lack a platform that is broad and inclusive of their own, nor do they state comprehensive ideas. They only attack... toward the imaginary “ESTABLISHMENT.” The “establishment” which, ironically is certainly safe, undetermined /un-proven and covers about every opinion that differs from their own. How safe and under-whelming.
Some sites are now so corrupted that they are calling for rebellion and lawless behavior. The Libertarians [Ron Paul party loyalists] are still out there and very active on many sites – they offer only the same old criticism – anti- Federal Reserve, anti-Bankers, anti-Conservative or extreme-Liberal, and New World Order believers. Many times they disrupt the discussions on purpose and change the subject. It is interesting to note, that while they are 'anti' many things, what 'pro' anything concrete and workable do they offer?
The various sites that once called themselves 'Tea Party' have been lost as a positive voice for small, weak, and limited Federal government.
Now few threads are able to sustain any meaningful discussion on how we can save our Republic. Most support changes, but just like the 'progressive' movements, they principally only support changes to the Constitution that are for Social reasons i.e. {abortion - Defense Of Marriage Act}, that focus on their specific agendas, which will gain for them the support of the Religious base.
Where can then, anyone of these groups claim to be at the same time and on the same planet, both a 'conservative' on the one hand, while with the other, lay claim to be strict Constitutionalists. The social change they call for, unfairly favors or disadvantages, or impacts one group over the other.
The 'progressives' want to amend the Constitution to give more rights to their special interests and minorities, because they have not be able to get these policies through the Legislative process and/or override vetoes. They seek to 'Regulate what they cannot legislate, or mitigate through constitutional amendment what you cannot lawfully initiate. Another of their favorite tactics is taking the avenue of the courts, where they can seek re-dress and rulings that result in meaningful and consequential legislation from the bench.
The 'progressives' desire to completely destroy the powers of the States, under the 10th amendment which is the check and the balance to limit the Federal government size and powers.
Clearly, in my opinion, we have lost our way as a society, and most are confused as to the powers of the Constitution and the separation of powers between the States and the Central-Federal.
Once it appeared that the Tea Party movement could become a force for restoring our Rights and Liberties - which time has passed us by, as it appears that the original movement has been co-opted by extremists.
The media reads the various sites, what is being posted, and then they demonized the entire movement, by promoting the radical opinions that are stated there. This publicity, combined with the reported fact that the operation of the web sites have now become 'money-makers' and 'for profit' sites that provide salaries + benefits for the web-site administrators, damage the brand we once had of 'free communities' of patriot exchange of ideas and discussion. Even many of the 'non-profits' provide generous salaries to the site owners.
What was once known as communities of sites that provided monitored-respectful-and intelligent-discussions directed to publish topics with focus has now become whatever it takes to get and drive their participation numbers.
Many of we 'old-war-horses' have noticed how each site has gravitated to a certain point of view, views which by-the-way, are not in the best interest of our Republic. The choice has clearly become apparent to me, ‘The People' must/will determine if the future Tea Party reputation can be restored to the positive influence it once was.
We have arrived at the place where I suppose we all have found ourselves. Those who once thought they knew who and what being a Democratic meant, who and what claiming to be a Republican meant, or Independent, Tea Partier, Liberal...we have all been invaded and changed-'transformed' by the pervasive 'progressive' element from within our own ranks.
Only time will show the direction.
Both of the established, major - political parties have stepped away from the published extreme view points, being expressed on the so-titled tea party web-sites. Those of us who are so-joined must decide if we are to continue to be a relevant factor and a trusted voice in American politics.
Many of us started out with one pure wish, to teach-speak-and discuss with fellow patriots of like mind and heart. To do so, with reverence to The Constitution of the United States of America. Wishing to dedicate ourselves and contribute to the best of our abilities, to a united effort to Restore the Constitution and the Republic for which we stand. [Stood]
When aiming for the common denominator, be prepared for the occasional division by zero. ~ Author Unknown
Thank you for reading.
Mangus Colorado
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I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion about the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.
Benjamin Franklin
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