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Contrary to popular belief the Constitution for the united States is not a contract. It is a rule book written to limit the authority of the government in order to protect the lives, liberty and property of the  people.

A contract is an agreement that creates an obligation to the participating parties abide by the mutually agreed upon terms.

The Constitution was written to govern the government not the people. It is the responsibility of government to obey the rules and it is our responsibility to enforce them.

If we don't hold our government officials accountable they have no incentive to honor their oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. The Constitution can not  protect us, if we  don't defend it.

Unfortunately when our Congressional Representatives violate the rules instead of being punished, they are rewarded by the Wall Street bankers and corporations who fund their campaigns.

We can not expect our elected officials to do their job, if we fail to do our job. We must either submit to tyranny or take responsibility. Giving Congress access to our credit cards is like giving the keys to your liquor cabinet to a thirsty alcoholic.

We the people elect the representatives, but they take their marching orders from the financial elite. We were supposed to be the employer and the government officials were to be our employees.

For our government to function properly, we must educate ourselves on the principles of individual liberty and personal responsibility and hold our elected officials accountable.

If we don't govern our government, our government will become our masters and we will become their servants. The only way we can have a government of, by and for the people is for each of us to take responsibility to hold our elected officials accountable.

Representatives who violate the Constitution should be indicted and prosecuted and if found guilty they should be sent to prison for the rest of their lives.

The Constitution is not a contract, it is the Supreme Law of the land and it is the responsibility of the people to enforce it.

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The Constitution was "RATIFIED" by the State legislatures, There was no organic government of the United States. 

The States all had some form of Constitution and most included all or part of the first 10 amendments or BOR. This debate has gone from what is in the Constitution and what is not? 

Sadly most argue court cases which do not have the power to alter the Constitution except as Usurped by Chief Justice John Marshall Marbury and McCulloch. There is no authority in Article III for the Court to seize Judicial Review or Implied powers. 

Clearly if implied powers are to be valid it would give the courts the ability to create findings from the bench and to legislate as joint Kings. There was no such desire from the Founders, Framers and Ratifiers they hated the kings magistrates.

There is a lengthy article about this threat topic here:

The Constitution was ratified by state ratifying conventions, not state legislatures. See

Correct. Still not all the people and still a public sector gathering.

Consent is always from the people collectively. It is not about individuals.

Who is talking about the people here??

Silly argument 0 did or did not the Legislatures send the selected voters to the convention? So again what is the issue?

The delegates to the state ratifying conventions were elected in separate elections. State legislatures had nothing to do with selection. The entire point of doing it that way was to have the Constitution ratified by the people rather than by the states as such.

The people as a public sector group. Never each private sector citizen.

Doesn't have to be each individual. A society gives consent as a collective.

And yes, "equal suffrage" could be ten senators from each state, each casting one vote. But they represent the state as a society with dominion over a territory, not a legislature.

NO WRONG! The States have been removed from the Senate... UN-Constitutionally! Has nothing to do with each individual.

You need to read and understand Article 5.

What is your point? Semantics IMO

ON motion, Ordered, That the Hon. Nathaniel Gorham, John Carnes, Esq., Dr. Charles Jarvis, Hon. Tristam Dalton, Hon. Walter Spooner, Hon. Caleb Davis, and Hon. John Taylor, be a committee to receive the returns of the several towns.

 Ordered, That a committee of five persons be appointed to collect, count, and sort the votes for a secretary; and the Hon. Caleb Davis, Tristam Dalton, Aaron Wood, Eleazer Brooks, and Charles Turner, Esquires, were appointed.

The Convention then proceeded to the choice of a secretary by ballot, and, the votes being taken, it appeared that George Richards Minot, Esq. was chosen, who accepted of the choice, and was duly sworn to qualify him for exercising the duties of that office.

Voted, That Mr. Jacob Kuhn, the messenger of the General Court, be appointed messenger to this Convention.

Voted, That five monitors be chosen, and the following gentlemen were elected, viz., the Hon. Noah Goodman, Mr. Phanuel Bishop, Mr. Daniel Cooley, Hon. Azor Orne, and Mr. Thomas Davis.

Voted, That a committee of seven be appointed to prepare rules and orders for the regulation of the Convention. The Hon. Nathaniel Gorham, Dr. Charles Jarvis, Hon. John Taylor, Mr. William Widgery, Hon. Tristam Dalton, Hon. Theodore Sedgwick, and James Bowdoin, Jun., Esq., were then appointed on the said committee.


First, I agree .. there was no organic government of the United States .. that chain of title did not exist.  

The Articles of Confederation states we are "The United States of America"!

The appointed state delegates convened at the constitutional convention to amend the existing Articles of the Confederation NOT to overthrown the existing government. Any reasonable person would have to know this was a bait and switch. A Coup D'etat!

The Articles of Confederation were abandon for more than 234 years. 

As we see in Article II Section I #1 & #8 says this:

1: The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.  he shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows

8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation"-"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Seriously, do we even know the name of this country or NOT?   This is (supposedly) a legal and binding document of a 'country', and they change the chain of title twice in one section.

If you have a questionable beginning shrouded in lies, and secrecy, how can it be considered legitimate?  If in doubt .. just think of oVomit and his 8 years of hell. 


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